1 00:00:04,100 --> 00:00:01,060 [Applause] 2 00:00:06,860 --> 00:00:04,110 please notice that I raised this in 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:06,870 terms of a question so I'm not claiming 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:11,010 that it is that it can be I'm coming at 5 00:00:15,589 --> 00:00:12,690 this and continuing my research 6 00:00:18,109 --> 00:00:15,599 skeptically I'd actually like to rename 7 00:00:21,230 --> 00:00:18,119 this the skeptical Society of scientific 8 00:00:24,050 --> 00:00:21,240 exploration I've given talks at skeptic 9 00:00:27,170 --> 00:00:24,060 societies they're really fun because I 10 00:00:31,669 --> 00:00:27,180 always begin by insulting them and they 11 00:00:34,190 --> 00:00:31,679 sit like this and and then I say I'm the 12 00:00:36,020 --> 00:00:34,200 only skeptic in the room and they go 13 00:00:37,250 --> 00:00:36,030 nowhere the skeptic Society and I said 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:37,260 no you're not you're a bunch of mindless 15 00:00:47,930 --> 00:00:42,930 believers you believe everything I 16 00:00:50,900 --> 00:00:47,940 haven't yet said is wrong and so I 17 00:00:53,029 --> 00:00:50,910 encourage us be careful what you believe 18 00:00:54,709 --> 00:00:53,039 in because I'm sure all of our beliefs 19 00:00:56,510 --> 00:00:54,719 will eventually be shown to be wrong 20 00:01:01,040 --> 00:00:56,520 so i phrase this in the form of a 21 00:01:02,990 --> 00:01:01,050 question and it has to do with my my 22 00:01:07,730 --> 00:01:03,000 healing research and as some of you know 23 00:01:09,770 --> 00:01:07,740 I have a reasonably extensive research 24 00:01:12,890 --> 00:01:09,780 agenda that has to do with a lot of 25 00:01:14,539 --> 00:01:12,900 different elements of healing and the 26 00:01:17,420 --> 00:01:14,549 one I'm going to focus on today is the 27 00:01:20,270 --> 00:01:17,430 last bullet point can we develop 28 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:20,280 practical applications of healing so it 29 00:01:23,810 --> 00:01:21,930 would be very nice if we could get to 30 00:01:26,859 --> 00:01:23,820 the bottom of it to get the answer all 31 00:01:29,510 --> 00:01:26,869 the basic science research questions but 32 00:01:32,149 --> 00:01:29,520 I've been doing this for 80 years I'm 33 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:32,159 gonna do it another 50 or so but I don't 34 00:01:36,380 --> 00:01:34,650 know that I'm I'm gonna get to really 35 00:01:38,510 --> 00:01:36,390 the answer so the question is right now 36 00:01:40,399 --> 00:01:38,520 is can I engineer something out of it 37 00:01:42,740 --> 00:01:40,409 and that's going to be the research 38 00:01:45,530 --> 00:01:42,750 going forward in the next few months the 39 00:01:47,420 --> 00:01:45,540 mother lode that I'd really like is the 40 00:01:49,609 --> 00:01:47,430 development of a theoretical model but 41 00:01:51,859 --> 00:01:49,619 that's not on the immediate horizon so 42 00:01:53,749 --> 00:01:51,869 right now the question is can we develop 43 00:01:56,060 --> 00:01:53,759 a practical application can we capture 44 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:56,070 the healing can we reproduce it can we 45 00:01:59,870 --> 00:01:58,170 turn it into in essence a conventional 46 00:02:04,340 --> 00:01:59,880 therapy but that's really the bottom 47 00:02:06,770 --> 00:02:04,350 line and what I'm gonna focus on 48 00:02:09,380 --> 00:02:06,780 skeptically is even looking at my past 49 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:09,390 data some of you aware some of it but 50 00:02:12,350 --> 00:02:09,690 looking 51 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:12,360 my past data it indicates if you look 52 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:14,490 through a particular prism that yes you 53 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:16,050 can capture it but if you look through a 54 00:02:21,740 --> 00:02:18,930 different skeptical prism it shows that 55 00:02:23,690 --> 00:02:21,750 I haven't yet made the case so I'd like 56 00:02:25,370 --> 00:02:23,700 to say I've made the case but I whenever 57 00:02:29,090 --> 00:02:25,380 I say something I try to talk myself out 58 00:02:31,220 --> 00:02:29,100 of it because I'm not a believer so I'm 59 00:02:33,950 --> 00:02:31,230 gonna focus on cancer experiments and 60 00:02:37,010 --> 00:02:33,960 I've done a lot of them these are ugly 61 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:37,020 experiments they're on animals and this 62 00:02:42,650 --> 00:02:39,930 is the with a particular form of cancer 63 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:42,660 this is the number of experiments on at 64 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:45,210 the various places so two experiments at 65 00:02:50,210 --> 00:02:47,610 City University of New York - one three 66 00:02:52,190 --> 00:02:50,220 like that and so there have been there 67 00:02:55,340 --> 00:02:52,200 I've done a lot of experiments so I am 68 00:02:57,230 --> 00:02:55,350 an I'm a data freak I'm gonna follow the 69 00:02:59,390 --> 00:02:57,240 data that data takes me on particularly 70 00:03:01,070 --> 00:02:59,400 winding roads and and so I'm going to be 71 00:03:05,210 --> 00:03:01,080 drawing on some only some of these 72 00:03:07,670 --> 00:03:05,220 there's much more oncogenic mice nude 73 00:03:10,010 --> 00:03:07,680 mice and we just keep going so I got a a 74 00:03:11,780 --> 00:03:10,020 selection of this to try to ask the 75 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:11,790 question can we really store it and use 76 00:03:18,949 --> 00:03:16,530 it focus on a couple of examples here a 77 00:03:20,870 --> 00:03:18,959 mammary cancer the thing that matters is 78 00:03:23,750 --> 00:03:20,880 we have a hundred percent death in about 79 00:03:25,610 --> 00:03:23,760 a month once you inject these mice with 80 00:03:27,860 --> 00:03:25,620 cancer they're going to be dead in a 81 00:03:29,860 --> 00:03:27,870 month 100% of time there's thousands of 82 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:29,870 published experiments on these mice so 83 00:03:35,030 --> 00:03:32,610 the the particular forms of cancer I'm 84 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:35,040 going to show you are all non metastatic 85 00:03:39,170 --> 00:03:37,290 their external you can measure them you 86 00:03:40,610 --> 00:03:39,180 can see them but you don't have to go 87 00:03:44,180 --> 00:03:40,620 through blood tests and things along 88 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:44,190 those lines so you have a mouse which 89 00:03:49,190 --> 00:03:46,650 the the tumor simply grows and it grows 90 00:03:51,770 --> 00:03:49,200 and it grows and the mouse dies in one 91 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:51,780 of two ways the internal organs are 92 00:03:56,449 --> 00:03:53,510 crushed and or it dies of malnutrition 93 00:04:00,140 --> 00:03:56,459 you don't need to be a biologist to see 94 00:04:02,150 --> 00:04:00,150 this is the tumor this is not a good 95 00:04:04,699 --> 00:04:02,160 mouse so this is a mouse in quite a 96 00:04:07,009 --> 00:04:04,709 great deal of trouble and they all 97 00:04:11,410 --> 00:04:07,019 essentially die this way so what we do 98 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:14,380 who put their hands around the cage and 99 00:04:19,150 --> 00:04:16,450 I'm using only pictures of myself 100 00:04:21,970 --> 00:04:19,160 because to protect the innocent but I 101 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:21,980 use faculty member I use students I've 102 00:04:26,950 --> 00:04:23,810 never used a believer an interesting 103 00:04:28,510 --> 00:04:26,960 question is can a believer heal I don't 104 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:28,520 know I can tell you non-believers can 105 00:04:31,990 --> 00:04:30,410 heal I don't know whether believers can 106 00:04:34,180 --> 00:04:32,000 heal so we did we put our hands around 107 00:04:35,740 --> 00:04:34,190 these cages and we do a technique that 108 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:35,750 I'm not going to describe here but it 109 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:38,930 involves very rapid imaging and when you 110 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:42,530 do this what happens is the tumor grows 111 00:04:49,270 --> 00:04:46,370 anyway which is not what I want so this 112 00:04:51,460 --> 00:04:49,280 is not a psychokinetic effect this is 113 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:51,470 not me controlling nature by the force 114 00:04:57,570 --> 00:04:54,530 of my will this is nature does what it 115 00:05:02,520 --> 00:04:57,580 does as a consequence of doing this and 116 00:05:07,570 --> 00:05:02,530 so the tumor gets to a particular size 117 00:05:10,210 --> 00:05:07,580 it also rates slits open also rates and 118 00:05:13,830 --> 00:05:10,220 if I keep looking at this you'll see it 119 00:05:15,610 --> 00:05:13,840 implode and the mice are cured for life 120 00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:15,620 now that's interesting 121 00:05:19,870 --> 00:05:17,510 and one of the things I'll talk about 122 00:05:21,430 --> 00:05:19,880 here for example is not only the mice 123 00:05:22,750 --> 00:05:21,440 cured for life and we carry them for 124 00:05:24,790 --> 00:05:22,760 their entire lifespan and we've done a 125 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:24,800 bunch of these things but if you reject 126 00:05:30,070 --> 00:05:27,050 them they're immune to cancer for the 127 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:30,080 rest of their life can we engineer that 128 00:05:35,770 --> 00:05:34,130 into a conventional therapy this is a 129 00:05:39,250 --> 00:05:35,780 different kind of cancer slightly less 130 00:05:42,250 --> 00:05:39,260 aggressive same thing Don metastatic the 131 00:05:46,090 --> 00:05:42,260 thing grows it grows it grows and if you 132 00:05:49,659 --> 00:05:46,100 treat then a couple of this particular 133 00:05:51,550 --> 00:05:49,669 form of cancer gets cured in different 134 00:05:53,650 --> 00:05:51,560 ways though the mammary cancer you just 135 00:05:56,110 --> 00:05:53,660 saw and all of them go through the same 136 00:05:57,700 --> 00:05:56,120 process in this particular one they go 137 00:06:00,580 --> 00:05:57,710 through two different types of processes 138 00:06:01,990 --> 00:06:00,590 one there's a tumor and then you come in 139 00:06:04,690 --> 00:06:02,000 the next day and it's like somebody let 140 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:04,700 the air out and then the most 141 00:06:07,390 --> 00:06:05,810 interesting thing is two mice 142 00:06:08,890 --> 00:06:07,400 mysteriously grow an arrow on their 143 00:06:11,469 --> 00:06:08,900 backs we don't know why that happens and 144 00:06:14,230 --> 00:06:11,479 the second way is similar to the mammary 145 00:06:17,409 --> 00:06:14,240 where you get this ulceration and then 146 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:17,419 you get the implosion and so different 147 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:19,849 cancers have different possibilities on 148 00:06:23,350 --> 00:06:22,130 route to being cured once again this is 149 00:06:24,999 --> 00:06:23,360 not a psychokinetic 150 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:25,009 it's not happening because this is the 151 00:06:29,740 --> 00:06:27,289 thing we want to happen it's happening 152 00:06:33,429 --> 00:06:29,750 and we're simply following what what 153 00:06:35,020 --> 00:06:33,439 nature is doing and you can tell once 154 00:06:36,700 --> 00:06:35,030 the thing is cured it's like it never 155 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:36,710 had it you can't find cancer in the 156 00:06:40,689 --> 00:06:38,810 animal for the rest of its lifespan so 157 00:06:43,570 --> 00:06:40,699 it's a reasonably interesting phenomenon 158 00:06:44,409 --> 00:06:43,580 we of course done this on people not 159 00:06:45,969 --> 00:06:44,419 like John 160 00:06:47,050 --> 00:06:45,979 well actually we did start with people 161 00:06:49,390 --> 00:06:47,060 and we went into the lab and then we 162 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:49,400 came back to people it's it's much 163 00:06:52,629 --> 00:06:51,889 harder on people because well first of 164 00:06:56,950 --> 00:06:52,639 all it's hard to get a middle little 165 00:06:58,540 --> 00:06:56,960 cages but but secondly it's it's there 166 00:07:00,490 --> 00:06:58,550 are too many complications in clinical 167 00:07:01,749 --> 00:07:00,500 work so what did they eat what are they 168 00:07:04,059 --> 00:07:01,759 what are they what did they you don't 169 00:07:07,119 --> 00:07:04,069 know and so clinical stuff is pretty 170 00:07:09,309 --> 00:07:07,129 complicated but this is six weeks apart 171 00:07:10,779 --> 00:07:09,319 roughly and they're processing things 172 00:07:13,179 --> 00:07:10,789 you don't want to see things you do want 173 00:07:15,850 --> 00:07:13,189 to see and again it's a process of going 174 00:07:18,580 --> 00:07:15,860 into cure and you can measure this these 175 00:07:20,529 --> 00:07:18,590 are week look week different images we 176 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:20,539 can do it by blood tests we can do it by 177 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:23,120 MRIs we can do it by we can do it by we 178 00:07:27,189 --> 00:07:24,770 can do it by there's a process each 179 00:07:31,749 --> 00:07:27,199 cancer seems to take on its own 180 00:07:33,550 --> 00:07:31,759 particular form of going to cure so this 181 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:33,560 is an interesting observation which has 182 00:07:39,249 --> 00:07:35,930 to do whether you're dealing with people 183 00:07:43,409 --> 00:07:39,259 whether you dealing with mice this is 184 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:43,419 not linear you don't have okay here's X 185 00:07:50,439 --> 00:07:47,810 produces Y X produces Y each treatment 186 00:07:52,749 --> 00:07:50,449 does and it doesn't progress in a linear 187 00:07:56,019 --> 00:07:52,759 fashion at all sometimes nothing happens 188 00:07:58,149 --> 00:07:56,029 for a long time but in all cases Animal 189 00:08:01,119 --> 00:07:58,159 Vegetable in human the stuff seems to 190 00:08:03,149 --> 00:08:01,129 occur in sudden bursts phase transitions 191 00:08:06,129 --> 00:08:03,159 we're not sure how to think about this 192 00:08:08,860 --> 00:08:06,139 so here's a wonderful picture frankly 193 00:08:11,529 --> 00:08:08,870 here's a an ulceration not quite as big 194 00:08:13,059 --> 00:08:11,539 as the last one that you saw and you see 195 00:08:15,579 --> 00:08:13,069 the ulceration what I want to point out 196 00:08:18,219 --> 00:08:15,589 is this is day 22 which means it's 22 197 00:08:19,629 --> 00:08:18,229 days subsequent to injection I'm going 198 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:19,639 to show you the same mouse six days 199 00:08:28,950 --> 00:08:26,640 and I think of John's pictures of the 200 00:08:30,780 --> 00:08:28,960 person and so this is again I can't help 201 00:08:32,790 --> 00:08:30,790 it because it's so incredible it still 202 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:32,800 freaks me out this is the biologist 203 00:08:37,530 --> 00:08:35,650 pulling back the fur to see where it was 204 00:08:39,930 --> 00:08:37,540 but if they're not pulling back the 205 00:08:42,060 --> 00:08:39,940 firts like it never had it so there's no 206 00:08:45,780 --> 00:08:42,070 cancer in this animal anymore and it 207 00:08:47,940 --> 00:08:45,790 happens in sudden bursts so some 208 00:08:50,070 --> 00:08:47,950 interesting observations one York 209 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:50,080 doesn't want a petrified banana Niram 210 00:08:54,540 --> 00:08:53,170 but but the second thing is no mouse has 211 00:08:56,460 --> 00:08:54,550 and we have hundreds and hundreds of 212 00:08:58,680 --> 00:08:56,470 mice no mouse has ever had a recurrence 213 00:09:01,650 --> 00:08:58,690 of cancer they're immune to repeated 214 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:01,660 reinjection to the cancer and now we 215 00:09:05,460 --> 00:09:02,710 start to get into some pretty 216 00:09:08,730 --> 00:09:05,470 interesting things an infected mouse can 217 00:09:12,810 --> 00:09:08,740 be cured by cell transplantation of a 218 00:09:15,540 --> 00:09:12,820 treated mouse can we engineer something 219 00:09:20,390 --> 00:09:15,550 from this the cell line will no longer 220 00:09:23,310 --> 00:09:20,400 seed forward now I'm speculating here 221 00:09:25,860 --> 00:09:23,320 maybe there's an immune factor that can 222 00:09:28,170 --> 00:09:25,870 be transferred I'm not close to 223 00:09:30,650 --> 00:09:28,180 answering that question but watch this 224 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:30,660 this is pretty interesting so here's a 225 00:09:39,450 --> 00:09:35,770 stupid animation you have this mouse has 226 00:09:41,250 --> 00:09:39,460 been treated by hands on it's not cured 227 00:09:45,540 --> 00:09:41,260 it's still got ulcerations it's pretty 228 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:45,550 ugly this mouse has not been treated by 229 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:49,210 hands on and it has a tumor this one is 230 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:51,250 ulcerated so it's got the ugly looking 231 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:54,850 thing this one just has the tumor that 232 00:10:00,690 --> 00:09:57,130 you saw that just keeps growing and so 233 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:00,700 we take some cells and we plot them into 234 00:10:06,830 --> 00:10:02,770 this there's no healing going on now so 235 00:10:11,190 --> 00:10:06,840 this mouse has never met a healer and 236 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:11,200 they're both cured now that's pretty 237 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:16,930 interesting hopefully once we treat a 238 00:10:21,300 --> 00:10:19,450 cell line or we treat a bunch of mice 239 00:10:22,860 --> 00:10:21,310 you get a bunch of mice they grow tumors 240 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:22,870 you take cells you see the next 241 00:10:27,780 --> 00:10:25,210 generation you see the next generate the 242 00:10:28,730 --> 00:10:27,790 cell line going the cell line won't go 243 00:10:32,580 --> 00:10:28,740 forward anymore 244 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:32,590 you can't see the next generation that's 245 00:10:39,889 --> 00:10:34,730 reasonably interesting 246 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:39,899 so what happens if you treat stuff so 247 00:10:45,050 --> 00:10:42,570 here's an example of an experiment done 248 00:10:46,670 --> 00:10:45,060 at UC San Diego who treated cell medium 249 00:10:48,290 --> 00:10:46,680 and then I am talking about treated 250 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:48,300 water that was done at University 251 00:10:54,550 --> 00:10:51,110 Connecticut but the treated cell medium 252 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:54,560 were taking ordinary off-the-shelf stuff 253 00:11:00,110 --> 00:10:56,930 nutrients that cells are grown in and 254 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:00,120 you treat them so Nana you don't put 255 00:11:02,570 --> 00:11:01,410 them in a cage you just put them there 256 00:11:04,519 --> 00:11:02,580 and you're putting your hands around the 257 00:11:06,889 --> 00:11:04,529 thing and you're doing the the technique 258 00:11:10,730 --> 00:11:06,899 and such and then you grow cells in the 259 00:11:15,470 --> 00:11:10,740 medium and it turns out at San Diego 260 00:11:18,170 --> 00:11:15,480 anyway growing the cells this is the 261 00:11:20,630 --> 00:11:18,180 control number of cells and this is the 262 00:11:22,790 --> 00:11:20,640 treated stuff you don't need to do 263 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:22,800 statistical stuff on this so the minimum 264 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:24,930 growth rate increase growth rate 265 00:11:31,490 --> 00:11:29,490 increase in the cancer 600 percent so 266 00:11:33,980 --> 00:11:31,500 the cancer in the first week this is at 267 00:11:35,660 --> 00:11:33,990 UC San Diego moves along nothing's going 268 00:11:37,370 --> 00:11:35,670 on nothing's going on nothing's going on 269 00:11:42,740 --> 00:11:37,380 think phase transition it suddenly 270 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:42,750 explodes and the cancer goes wild eight 271 00:11:50,389 --> 00:11:46,770 two techs in the lab I'm not allowed 272 00:11:52,370 --> 00:11:50,399 back in San Diego now that's interesting 273 00:11:55,010 --> 00:11:52,380 this actually was according to what I 274 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:55,020 expected in the sense that I don't think 275 00:12:01,160 --> 00:11:58,410 healing is stuff that's static in any 276 00:12:03,590 --> 00:12:01,170 way I think healing is occurs as a 277 00:12:06,290 --> 00:12:03,600 response to need what does a cancer cell 278 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:06,300 need in a dish what does cancer like to 279 00:12:10,850 --> 00:12:09,450 do it likes to grow if you put that 280 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:10,860 cancer in the mouse it doesn't like to 281 00:12:16,310 --> 00:12:13,770 grow I think if we took we haven't done 282 00:12:18,610 --> 00:12:16,320 this if we took supercharged cells and 283 00:12:21,699 --> 00:12:18,620 stuck them in a mouse it would implode 284 00:12:25,269 --> 00:12:21,709 don't know speculation we got to do this 285 00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:25,279 replicated this once John I just left me 286 00:12:29,090 --> 00:12:27,360 didn't get didn't get a similar effect 287 00:12:31,069 --> 00:12:29,100 don't know if we were doing exactly the 288 00:12:34,220 --> 00:12:31,079 same thing but it's it's an interesting 289 00:12:35,780 --> 00:12:34,230 phenomenon treated water bottles so 290 00:12:37,730 --> 00:12:35,790 again you don't meet the mice you're 291 00:12:41,990 --> 00:12:37,740 treating putting your hands around water 292 00:12:45,470 --> 00:12:42,000 which is fed to the mice mice or 293 00:12:50,670 --> 00:12:45,480 someplace else cured 294 00:12:53,670 --> 00:12:50,680 now what does that mean well recapping 295 00:12:55,590 --> 00:12:53,680 the top stories an infected mouse can be 296 00:12:58,019 --> 00:12:55,600 cured by cell transplantation from a 297 00:12:59,670 --> 00:12:58,029 treated Mouse pretty interesting the 298 00:13:01,980 --> 00:12:59,680 treatment of mice will interfere with 299 00:13:04,949 --> 00:13:01,990 the ability of the cell line to seed 300 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:04,959 forward reasonably interesting treatment 301 00:13:10,110 --> 00:13:06,610 of the cell medium will affect growth 302 00:13:14,519 --> 00:13:10,120 and mice drinking treated water will be 303 00:13:16,710 --> 00:13:14,529 cured so now think like an engineer till 304 00:13:18,569 --> 00:13:16,720 we build something from that well it 305 00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:18,579 would all evidence is pointing in that 306 00:13:22,199 --> 00:13:20,560 direction but again you're looking at a 307 00:13:25,769 --> 00:13:22,209 skeptic let's see if we can talk 308 00:13:28,439 --> 00:13:25,779 ourselves out of that sold the but and 309 00:13:31,290 --> 00:13:28,449 here's the but there's we seem to have 310 00:13:33,689 --> 00:13:31,300 this strange phenomenon of resin and 311 00:13:36,449 --> 00:13:33,699 bonding which occurs and this is 312 00:13:39,090 --> 00:13:36,459 experimentally annoying but clinically 313 00:13:41,129 --> 00:13:39,100 and and also experimentally interesting 314 00:13:43,379 --> 00:13:41,139 and may lead to a new way of thinking 315 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:43,389 about how experiments work in the 316 00:13:49,380 --> 00:13:46,570 parameters under which they work so 317 00:13:52,110 --> 00:13:49,390 here's the problem in healing 318 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:52,120 experiments the experimental and control 319 00:13:58,290 --> 00:13:54,610 groups seem to become and I'm using it 320 00:14:01,530 --> 00:13:58,300 loosely entangled so we normally go 321 00:14:03,780 --> 00:14:01,540 through life and I get a bunch of mice 322 00:14:05,490 --> 00:14:03,790 here and a bunch of mice here and I 323 00:14:06,810 --> 00:14:05,500 assume since ones here and ones they are 324 00:14:08,130 --> 00:14:06,820 they're independent of each other but 325 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:08,140 what if they're not independent of each 326 00:14:14,189 --> 00:14:11,110 other what if I zap this one and this 327 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:14,199 one gets a treatment and this seems to 328 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:15,850 be happening in the healing experiments 329 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:19,810 under selected conditions and if a 330 00:14:23,130 --> 00:14:21,370 treatment given to an experimental group 331 00:14:28,470 --> 00:14:23,140 will result in a treatment given to the 332 00:14:30,300 --> 00:14:28,480 untreated and they all get cured if they 333 00:14:32,340 --> 00:14:30,310 all get cured you say well then there's 334 00:14:33,900 --> 00:14:32,350 no the conclusion of an experiment is 335 00:14:34,889 --> 00:14:33,910 what's the difference between the two 336 00:14:36,569 --> 00:14:34,899 groups so there's no difference 337 00:14:40,490 --> 00:14:36,579 everybody's cured so what does that mean 338 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:40,500 nothing happened that's a type two error 339 00:14:44,939 --> 00:14:42,730 how many type two errors are going out 340 00:14:47,879 --> 00:14:44,949 there in experimental methods how much 341 00:14:50,309 --> 00:14:47,889 how much how many times is it possible 342 00:14:51,930 --> 00:14:50,319 that we might have some bonding I have 343 00:14:53,579 --> 00:14:51,940 some indications that there's bonding 344 00:14:55,199 --> 00:14:53,589 with cell cultures certainly there's an 345 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:55,209 indication that there's bonding with 346 00:14:58,410 --> 00:14:57,130 people certainly there's an indication 347 00:15:00,329 --> 00:14:58,420 there's bonding with 348 00:15:03,420 --> 00:15:00,339 animals it's a reasonably interesting 349 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:03,430 phenomenon keep your eye open for type 2 350 00:15:09,389 --> 00:15:06,610 errors so here's an example of an 351 00:15:13,230 --> 00:15:09,399 experiment I'm just giving you the 352 00:15:15,990 --> 00:15:13,240 simple guts we have these are treated 353 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:16,000 cages so somebody is putting their hands 354 00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:21,389 we have controls that these are 355 00:15:29,430 --> 00:15:24,910 someplace far away in the same building 356 00:15:30,980 --> 00:15:29,440 and here are controls that we didn't 357 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:30,990 know about 358 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:35,850 so this cot does awareness matter so 359 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:38,649 typical controls second controls just to 360 00:15:45,180 --> 00:15:41,529 screw with each other's heads these labs 361 00:15:46,740 --> 00:15:45,190 are working on the same model this 362 00:15:48,780 --> 00:15:46,750 incidentally is the white mice that you 363 00:15:50,220 --> 00:15:48,790 just saw so we got a bunch of white mice 364 00:15:51,930 --> 00:15:50,230 a bunch of white mice a bunch of white 365 00:15:54,509 --> 00:15:51,940 mice and there's many more cages than 366 00:15:56,850 --> 00:15:54,519 three bunch of controls bunch of 367 00:15:58,470 --> 00:15:56,860 controls and now hundreds of mice in 368 00:15:59,910 --> 00:15:58,480 these labs that are independent and 369 00:16:05,780 --> 00:15:59,920 they're doing traditional cancer 370 00:16:10,380 --> 00:16:05,790 research now if there's resonant bonding 371 00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:10,390 or there is more for genetic field think 372 00:16:17,009 --> 00:16:14,320 Sheldrake and Rupert and I have had it 373 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:17,019 out about this if if it's a morphic 374 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:18,970 genetic field then you would expect a 375 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:21,130 field effect of similar mice if there 376 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:22,510 was a healing effect that would extend 377 00:16:28,110 --> 00:16:25,690 outward and it should it should infect 378 00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:28,120 if these are going to be infected by the 379 00:16:33,180 --> 00:16:31,360 treatment and they these are closer then 380 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:33,190 the prediction would be what that that 381 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:34,810 all of the mice similar types of mice 382 00:16:40,319 --> 00:16:36,970 should be cured if there is a healing 383 00:16:43,850 --> 00:16:40,329 effect but what actually happens is only 384 00:16:47,309 --> 00:16:43,860 the ones in our experiment are cured 385 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:47,319 this happens over and over same labs 386 00:16:52,620 --> 00:16:50,019 same same University same everything 387 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:52,630 there's no noticeable effect on the ones 388 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:54,730 that are not part of our experiments the 389 00:16:59,370 --> 00:16:57,010 controls which no healer has ever seen 390 00:17:03,540 --> 00:16:59,380 get cured and the ones that we didn't 391 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:03,550 even know existed get cured now if you 392 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:05,049 do this once you say well the labs 393 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:13,929 six different labs it's too coincidental 394 00:17:20,260 --> 00:17:15,890 that all labs are incompetent when I 395 00:17:23,949 --> 00:17:20,270 walk in I'm fine saying I'm incompetent 396 00:17:27,789 --> 00:17:23,959 but every lab it's still not so simple 397 00:17:29,650 --> 00:17:27,799 the bonds seem to be fluid so the 398 00:17:31,690 --> 00:17:29,660 question is the motherlode question 399 00:17:33,490 --> 00:17:31,700 frankly is can the bonds be produced by 400 00:17:37,180 --> 00:17:33,500 exposure to the healer by the shared 401 00:17:42,039 --> 00:17:37,190 experiences among the Healy's can bonds 402 00:17:45,940 --> 00:17:42,049 be broken so another experiment this is 403 00:17:50,169 --> 00:17:45,950 a wonderful one a bunch of cages and 404 00:17:52,750 --> 00:17:50,179 this is actually is is I had three 405 00:17:55,539 --> 00:17:52,760 biologists skeptical biologists working 406 00:17:56,380 --> 00:17:55,549 on some cages and they said you're nuts 407 00:17:59,980 --> 00:17:56,390 I said fine 408 00:18:03,130 --> 00:17:59,990 do it anyway I had two non biologists 409 00:18:05,980 --> 00:18:03,140 working on some cages I had a control 410 00:18:07,180 --> 00:18:05,990 lab going on here I never saw them I'm 411 00:18:09,930 --> 00:18:07,190 not even allowed in the building and 412 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:09,940 there was a second control sent off-site 413 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:12,290 out of the B was actually out of the 414 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:13,850 city who were trying to get the damn 415 00:18:19,810 --> 00:18:16,730 controls to die so we tell the 416 00:18:21,549 --> 00:18:19,820 biologists don't go near anything that 417 00:18:24,340 --> 00:18:21,559 that isn't part of the experiment 418 00:18:25,930 --> 00:18:24,350 because there might in fact be control 419 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:25,940 stare don't look at the controls now 420 00:18:30,970 --> 00:18:27,770 what happens to a you tell a biologist 421 00:18:35,799 --> 00:18:30,980 not to go look in the room they go to 422 00:18:37,890 --> 00:18:35,809 the room and they come back and they go 423 00:18:40,659 --> 00:18:37,900 I didn't do it I didn't do it wasn't me 424 00:18:43,450 --> 00:18:40,669 non biologists are much more compliant 425 00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:43,460 and so here's what happens the biologist 426 00:18:50,740 --> 00:18:47,679 labs mice that they're treating died 427 00:18:55,030 --> 00:18:50,750 the controls are cured the only ones to 428 00:18:58,810 --> 00:18:55,040 see them of the biologists in this 429 00:19:01,570 --> 00:18:58,820 wonderful and the non biologists they 430 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:01,580 get cured and the controls they get 431 00:19:05,380 --> 00:19:03,290 cured now in this particular experiment 432 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:05,390 we had a second group of cages we told 433 00:19:09,870 --> 00:19:07,970 him to take it home biologists and non 434 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:09,880 biologists and here's what happened 435 00:19:16,780 --> 00:19:13,610 everybody got cured biologists can cure 436 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:16,790 at home it turns out no biologist should 437 00:19:30,060 --> 00:19:28,080 that might have implications so some 438 00:19:31,860 --> 00:19:30,070 questions was that the cell transplants 439 00:19:34,110 --> 00:19:31,870 that cured was it the treated medium 440 00:19:36,540 --> 00:19:34,120 that cured was it really the water that 441 00:19:39,870 --> 00:19:36,550 cured if the the resonant bonds are 442 00:19:42,650 --> 00:19:39,880 fluid and not local you see that this 443 00:19:46,650 --> 00:19:42,660 becomes a methodological conundrum so 444 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:46,660 I'm about to start a healing research 445 00:19:53,670 --> 00:19:51,850 agenda can we treat cotton and we don't 446 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:53,680 do any of the know humans are involved 447 00:19:57,570 --> 00:19:55,690 we just get the cotton can the cotton 448 00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:57,580 produce it can the water alone produce 449 00:20:03,630 --> 00:20:00,400 it if that happens will it work with 450 00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:03,640 cell transplantation after that so we've 451 00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,120 got a biological part of the problem 452 00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:10,000 going on can can it be stored and can it 453 00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:12,640 actually happen if we got water in the 454 00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:15,310 treated medium and other stuff is going 455 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:17,470 on with actual healers was it the water 456 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:20,290 or was it the resonant bonding I don't 457 00:20:28,020 --> 00:20:23,770 know and we got a physics side of this 458 00:20:31,650 --> 00:20:28,030 going on can we find X and if so can 459 00:20:33,660 --> 00:20:31,660 that reproduce the cure so although 460 00:20:35,550 --> 00:20:33,670 we've produced the cure of these ways we 461 00:20:37,740 --> 00:20:35,560 don't know why and we haven't really 462 00:20:39,690 --> 00:20:37,750 isolated it you don't walk around going 463 00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:39,700 treated water cured the mice therefore 464 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:43,510 look we did it with stored it becomes 465 00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:45,490 much more difficult than that so the 466 00:20:51,050 --> 00:20:48,310 bottom line is can anomalous healing be 467 00:20:53,610 --> 00:20:51,060 transformed into a conventional therapy 468 00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,620 it's still a question mark hopefully 469 00:21:04,250 --> 00:20:55,120 I'll find out in the next few months 470 00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:10,170 thank you for your attention 471 00:21:21,330 --> 00:21:16,159 [Applause] 472 00:21:23,150 --> 00:21:21,340 bill question you said your mice when 473 00:21:26,220 --> 00:21:23,160 you bring the cell line forward they 474 00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:26,230 they they don't catch the cancer but if 475 00:21:31,860 --> 00:21:29,679 I'm not mistaken the initial cancer is 476 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:31,870 initiated by the methyl whatever have 477 00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,130 you ever tried reinitiating trying to 478 00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:38,080 reinitiate the cancer in a mice where 479 00:21:45,210 --> 00:21:42,910 the agent used in the first place the 480 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:45,220 first statement is is slightly off the 481 00:21:51,630 --> 00:21:49,450 the as a general rule you can't seed it 482 00:21:54,060 --> 00:21:51,640 forward but there have been some mice 483 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:54,070 that start to develop the tumor and then 484 00:21:58,740 --> 00:21:56,290 the tumor collapses without any further 485 00:22:01,320 --> 00:21:58,750 healing so at the very least it seems to 486 00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:01,330 have been weakened the cancer you may 487 00:22:06,060 --> 00:22:03,760 know yes so it doesn't seem to it's not 488 00:22:07,260 --> 00:22:06,070 a lethal dose anymore but something like 489 00:22:09,180 --> 00:22:07,270 the cancer tries to Rend then it 490 00:22:11,250 --> 00:22:09,190 collapses on its own whether that's 491 00:22:12,690 --> 00:22:11,260 because of the cell line collapse or 492 00:22:15,180 --> 00:22:12,700 because of something else that we're 493 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:15,190 doing going on again that makes it the 494 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:16,450 method logical conundrum but to answer 495 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:19,090 your second question know what was my 496 00:22:24,210 --> 00:22:21,970 second question could you play the tape 497 00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:24,220 back please yes so it's it yeah no I 498 00:22:27,780 --> 00:22:25,360 haven't tried it with the original 499 00:22:29,370 --> 00:22:27,790 material okay so I think this is a 500 00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:29,380 really important question the reason I 501 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:32,080 bring it up is is with the whole idea of 502 00:22:36,210 --> 00:22:34,450 a genetic mouse model it done on me 503 00:22:37,950 --> 00:22:36,220 recently what was really interesting is 504 00:22:40,590 --> 00:22:37,960 there's an assumption that it's a 505 00:22:42,180 --> 00:22:40,600 genetic issue rather than what I'll call 506 00:22:44,610 --> 00:22:42,190 it tox illogical is true but how was the 507 00:22:46,650 --> 00:22:44,620 cancer initiated with a toxin so it's 508 00:22:48,030 --> 00:22:46,660 kind of funny though people think well 509 00:22:49,710 --> 00:22:48,040 okay we're good studied the genetics 510 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:49,720 well how did you initiate that cancer 511 00:22:53,370 --> 00:22:52,090 well with the toxin like well I haven't 512 00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,380 I have a run but then we got to keep 513 00:22:59,880 --> 00:22:55,600 moving I haven't run on aquagenic mice 514 00:23:01,950 --> 00:22:59,890 at UC San Diego bill I've been hearing 515 00:23:05,330 --> 00:23:01,960 your report for many years and obviously 516 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:05,340 I assume you want to cure humans 517 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:09,970 eventually what humans why because we 518 00:23:14,460 --> 00:23:12,850 want we probably happy that you wouldn't 519 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:14,470 cure the mice and this we don't have to 520 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:16,450 use my stress my personal mission is to 521 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:18,970 save the rodents 522 00:23:24,450 --> 00:23:21,970 people are annoying have you met any so 523 00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:24,460 if you go to humans that I think maybe 524 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:27,039 you address this before if there's 525 00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,210 cancer say breast cancer these patients 526 00:23:36,450 --> 00:23:33,760 are going to first go to radiation or 527 00:23:39,450 --> 00:23:36,460 chemotherapy and I don't know if I'm 528 00:23:42,269 --> 00:23:39,460 true that if you do that does that 529 00:23:45,659 --> 00:23:42,279 negate your study your work and what 530 00:23:50,039 --> 00:23:45,669 interval you need to do do that stuff on 531 00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,049 them enough on the mice before I like 532 00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:52,240 John we started clinically and then went 533 00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:55,360 to two animals and in the clinical 534 00:24:01,769 --> 00:23:57,760 applications of this the healing 535 00:24:03,870 --> 00:24:01,779 combined with therapies that kill I'll 536 00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:03,880 just say interfere with it and so you 537 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:05,679 don't get the same kind of results 538 00:24:09,690 --> 00:24:08,049 healing and killing or not not not great 539 00:24:13,409 --> 00:24:09,700 combinations I have not done this 540 00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:13,419 experimentally on the mice no I on the 541 00:24:17,250 --> 00:24:14,799 drawing board I got a boatload of 542 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:17,260 questions that I have to do but one of 543 00:24:22,769 --> 00:24:20,710 them is is treated and then radiated 544 00:24:24,509 --> 00:24:22,779 radiated then treated and all sorts of 545 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:24,519 permutations you move there we have not 546 00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:29,769 yet done it yep bill do you have any 547 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:33,600 suggestions for how to present this to 548 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:36,130 conventional cancer researchers without 549 00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:40,330 getting laughed out of court yeah I I've 550 00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:42,820 spoken at a bunch three of these 551 00:24:47,009 --> 00:24:44,260 experiments are done at three different 552 00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:47,019 medical schools and before I start at 553 00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,110 the medical school I'm invited to to 554 00:24:54,060 --> 00:24:52,000 either give a general address to a 555 00:24:57,570 --> 00:24:54,070 medical school or to a department of 556 00:25:01,980 --> 00:24:57,580 oncology I've had the most fun I would 557 00:25:05,490 --> 00:25:01,990 say I've had is addressing 75 558 00:25:07,289 --> 00:25:05,500 oncologists you want to see believers 559 00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:07,299 yeah they believe I'm really full of it 560 00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:10,000 and and so they go after me for hours I 561 00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,159 mean they want to cut my knees out 562 00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,559 everything else and there's there's 563 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:16,240 actually they had to go to cameras and 564 00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:18,250 second rooms as the crowd starting and I 565 00:25:21,419 --> 00:25:20,230 have to tell you at the end I got a 566 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:21,429 standing ovation because they couldn't 567 00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:23,490 find a flaw 568 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:26,710 I'm currently invited to give a talk at 569 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:29,049 Mount Sinai Medical School in New York 570 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:30,250 City 571 00:25:34,170 --> 00:25:32,050 maybe there'll be some research going 572 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:34,180 there also so that doesn't mean it'll 573 00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:39,130 catch on but to date I you know I've 574 00:25:43,050 --> 00:25:41,910 spoken at folk traditional folks yeah 575 00:25:47,670 --> 00:25:43,060 Garrett 576 00:25:50,970 --> 00:25:47,680 so most sigh phenomena occur well if not 577 00:25:53,340 --> 00:25:50,980 better with time displacement mm-hmm 578 00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:53,350 have you ever done retro causal healing 579 00:26:01,050 --> 00:25:58,450 no I want to very much John left John 580 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:01,060 Ives but we've done replications of 581 00:26:05,220 --> 00:26:03,610 things near and far and have not seen 582 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:05,230 diminishment with distance he said it 583 00:26:10,650 --> 00:26:07,690 goes with the inverse square law I don't 584 00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,660 see that I don't find that at all 585 00:26:15,210 --> 00:26:12,640 the time displacement thing is really 586 00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,220 fascinating but no I've never done it so 587 00:26:19,290 --> 00:26:17,200 then the follow-on question is do you 588 00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,300 think you could interpret some of your 589 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:21,760 current results as time displacement it 590 00:26:26,970 --> 00:26:23,770 could be it could be and that would 591 00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,980 become you know like you have to pretend 592 00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:28,480 that physically separate things are 593 00:26:33,270 --> 00:26:31,750 independent I am currently in the stage 594 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:33,280 of research where I have to pretend that 595 00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:35,770 the president is still the present and 596 00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:38,740 both of those may be you know those both 597 00:26:43,740 --> 00:26:41,260 of those are leaps of faith so yeah I've 598 00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:43,750 given up I I have retired from the 599 00:26:47,850 --> 00:26:45,310 religion that separateness means 600 00:26:49,230 --> 00:26:47,860 independence I'm still kind of trying to